Hunger strike to reinstate Mark.uk

[jamesdean]

All IMO nothing that I have written is flaming personal attacks or inguendo its a personal observation only.JD


The cats quite funny but this isnt really a debating thread its about one persons asking for another persons reinstatement, the thing is I was banned for two weeks n I took it on the nose, its not about Markuk's debating skills his last post n I did read it was disgusting be it about mh persons or normal people it was vile and if he asked to be banned himself then that can only be a good thing that he recogniosed that he wasnt well at the time of banning though I know others that have cried n screamed asking to be banned n there request been refused.

I think that this forum personally has split into two groups each group believing that the other group is the bullies,in all honesty I personally dont give a fcuk whos in which camp but honestly like most forums decide people which camp you want to be in dont be a turn coat no one, when you think that this forum is that powerful that it can change faith then thats powerful stufff but please people remember which hat you want to be wearing,me a spade is a spade n I couldnt be any other way in life, I come to mhf for one reason only n thats a littlelight hearted involvement, I value the friendships that I have made and care about the people that I have conversations with I'm not into persoanl debating at all and wouldnt even try to get involved with deep breathing excersises.

GodblessJD

[Apotheosis]

[SimonB]

Sorry JD, I didn't read the posts, I didn't want to enter that...although I knew something had sparked off.

I am not defending Mark's use of inappropriate language, and as I said in the other associated thread 'the rules are the rules'

What I am saying, between the lines, is not to get into that situation in the first place. I thought this was clear...

[jamesdean]

Sorry JD, I didn't read the posts, I didn't want to enter that...although I knew something had sparked off.

I am not defending Mark's use of inappropriate language, and as I said in the other associated thread 'the rules are the rules'

What I am saying, between the lines, is not to get into that situation in the first place. I thought this was clear...

Simon I only said all that I said has a very general obesveration I wasnt thinking about any particular post on this thread,perhaps I should of started a new thread about how I feel about how that this forum has become divided there are the people that want to have big deep discussion's and those that just want to be a freindly community and we all need to live together. But because m h comes under such a huge umbrella but for some people drugs are needed and people need to know and understand their label so that they can live their life accordingly and make informed decissions about how to live their life and we (I am in this particular group) dont need to be told how we shouldnt be taking our meds or self medicating,its a persons choice. I was mortifed when I come to this forum one day to see all my drug use of the last twenty years neatly written in a persons blog for all to read clearly in one post when I believed that it had been my choice to write about it in my blog at my own expression of freedom of speech n I was flamed n yet I was the one that got banned n yet by any other means this was stalking by another person, yet I was the one that was banned,it made me very uneasy about even coming to mhf n if anyone thinks that I am flaming now in this post Quite clearly freedom of speech I am discussing the issue of banning people when in fact I had my whole sexuality and faith questioned on an open forum,(which I didnt feel comfortable about) yet I was accused of bullying this other person.
All that I am being is truthful if this a ban able offecence I have learnt that there is life outside of mhf now a days because I have made some beautiful friendships here at mhf and all those people have got my email address maybe I'm a fool for writing n being so honest but I have recieved compliments for it. so I'm not to worried about a couple of negaitive things that might of gone a miss from time to time i to can become ill my self so surely can be forgiven n after all love is ctually forgiveness in action (told to me by a psych) n I would much prefer to be a child of god, god being love than to be known has any other kindof title myself personally and unless I choose to change my faith then I cetainly I am most comfortable in my own skin.Please excuse me anyone who might be offened by anything that I have just written I guess I'm just having a day thinking aloud maybe its in the wrong thread but thats the only problemI can see with this post .JD.

[Apotheosis]

Some of us also do not want labels (that explain nothing), forced drugging; some of us don't want treatment that involves no choice; & to be told by others that's what we need!!!. Some of us are also dealing with severe addiction issues; & do not want to be told constantly about the joys of recreational drug use. Such things are peoples subjective opinions; & like religion, or any other subject for that matter; are not 'truths' to bully & beat other people over the head with.

If the moderators are serious in their claim -

the MHF aims to be a friendly place for those with MH issues or illness to be able to enjoy free debate and healthy discussion.

& the Ethos of this site is upheld -

We aim to be the friendliest place on the web to meet and discuss anything related to mental health..........We also welcome discussion and debate of mental health issues and policy.

Then there should be no problem at all in whatever people want to discus.

Personally I see an agenda that there is a select group; a 'pack' of people here on this forum; that are in direct opposition to this Ethos & site aim. If there isn't a problem in this forum being a place for free debate and healthy discussion; then why does this 'group' of people with this pack mentality appear to have such a problem with such open discussions?

Sadly, many people on this site have no problem - Telling People to go to the GP & take drugs. I have never told anyone what they should or shouldn't do. I have never told anyone not to take prescribed drugs. I have presented intelligent, articulate & reasonable posts criticising psychiatry; but it would appear that people hate me doing this. & why is that? Because they assume that psychiatry should not be questioned or challenged; & to them psychiatry is a Religion.

On a site that 'supposedly' allows, supports & defends 'the ability to enjoy free debate and healthy discussion'. - Then so what if someone just posts about anti-psychiatry; Med Free Recovery; being T-Total; & in fact whatever else they should be allowed to freely discus? (within the forum rules). What is wrong with them discussing such things??????????

The simple fact is that 'free debate and healthy discussion'; is only allowed to be enjoyed if it fits in with adherence to the appeasement of the assumption & unwritten law of psychiatry as an unquestionable Religion. If someone differs from that in their own views & assumptions; then they will be bullied, ganged up on, attacked, & set upon by a 'pack' that operates on this site. That is why Mark.UK left; & why he posted what he did; out of utter frustration; & anger at having being attacked & bullied by these people with such a pack mentality, that operate; & are allowed to operate by the Mods & Admin on this site. & that is the Truth of it all.

To say that this forum is 'a friendly place for 'ALL' those with MH issues or illness to be able to enjoy free debate and healthy discussion' is quite simply untrue, & a bare faced lie. It should read - this forum is 'a friendly place for those with MH issues or illness; who hold psychiatry in the highest regard as the best & only way to treat MH difficulties; & who promote & support the use of drugs as the main & primary methods of treatment; they will be able to enjoy free debate and healthy discussion; while if you differ in this you will be bullied'.

The way this site is moderated; & run by the Admin is simply WRONG.

If this site & the moderators support & uphold 'free debate and healthy discussion', then this post will stay.

[honeyquince]

Apo,

Maybe you could elaborate on how you think the moderation of the site is wrong. Also I'd be interested to know why, if this is your belief, you persist in returning?

Honey

[Apotheosis]

Maybe you could elaborate on how you think the moderation of the site is wrong.

See Above.

why, you persist in returning?

You mean why don't I give in to the bullies? & not stand up for my right to freely post here; & discus things with the friends that I have made here.

I dunno - perseverance; a lot of tolerance & determination I guess.

Why? Would you rather I didn't post here?

[honeyquince]

Not at all Apo, you add a little spice to the mix.

So, in some sense you continue to find value in the forum. I'm very glad about that. Maybe, in that case you could pour some of your energies into supporting the effective management and moderation of the forum rather than posting your 'eloquent critiques'. Be part of the solution. Where you find yourself under attack (and this goes for anyone) report it to the moderation team and refrain from retaliating. How can the forum ever be anything but wrong without the support of the members.

[SimonB]

MarkUK is a rational human being with not only passion but compassion for what he believes. Change doesn't happen by sitting idly by.....it takes energy, enthusiasm and real drive. But by the same token, it is sometimes best to be 'wise' and play the porns accordingly. Push but not too much, make your point and don't rise to baited answers! The real skill in debating is not to give your opponents the right to attack or call in the rules!

I hope that everyone, not only Mark realises we all have a contribution to make, and anyone that doesn't see that is blind to what really matters.

I look forward to Mark returning and the pursuance of 'real' debate.

I just wanted to repeat what had written earlier, please read it again....what is it saying?

JD I wasn't at all offended by your entry, I think this is clearly a very emotive problem, which it seems from the undertones has been going on for sometime.

I agree with you, not everyone wants intense debate, but people can make choices on this forum, to either join in or move onto a thread that appeals to them.

'I hope that everyone, not only Mark realises we all have a contribution to make, and anyone that doesn't see that is blind to what really matters.'

[iffybob]

I think you are right SimonB ... many times I look at a thread , read it and decide not to get involove either because I could not respond with an objective mind ..

... ie it would trigger me too much for me to make a sane none reactive responce ..

.... but oftern cos I did not like the tone of the arguments put forward ..

.. other times I have staited my view , and left it at that , cos that is all I have to say ...